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Poster: lastcall Date: Jun 9, 2008 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Allman Brothers

The difference to me is that The Allman Brothers wrote the words, did'nt do alot of covers and stoned or not it's a good time.(For the most) As for ratdog and paf I think it's kinda a joke that these guys are still riding on Jerry's coat tails. Just my opinion.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jun 10, 2008 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Allman Brothers

And you're certainly welcome to that opinion, but I couldn't possibly disagree more, and I'll go see Ratdog or P&F any chance that I can. I don't see their choice of including a hefty selection of Garcia/Hunter material within their setlists as any kind of joke whatsoever, nor as riding Jerry's coattails, but rather as a tribute to their old friend as well as to The Grateful Dead overall. The last Ratdog I show was earlier this year in St. Louis, and make no mistake, they ain't jokin': for those of us who still want to see somebody who was actually in the eye of the Dead's storm of music performing that unique style invented by him and his brothers, Bob and the Dog deliver the goods unfailingly.

I would add, though, as for the gaggle of Dead cover bands that have clouded the landscape these past several years, they are a clear case of riding coattails--I've never actually put it as such, but if it's a joke for anyone to make a living by exclusively performing Grateful Dead music, I would definitely point my finger their way.

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 10, 2008 7:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Allman Brothers

I would like to think of it as a tribute, and I know that is how they spin-it; but as someone that sees both bands a few times a year, it is a fact that if they didn't play a hefty amount of garcia/hunter then they wouldn't have the same fan base, attendance, and rhino would be charged more the next time the vault lease is up for renewal.

I do not argue the level of musicianship in those bands, but I just expected so much more when I first started seeing/listening to the bands in the late 90's. Initially I thought there would be a period of heavy garcia/hunter followed by a move by the bands into their own individual directions. Possibly limiting the garcia/hunter to encores or special sets. There has been some of this and they might even have been planning on moving more in individual directions but for the most part the bands have kept the dead cover setlists.

Why not?

The fans love the tunes, the musicians know how to play the tunes and the money keeps rolling in. So everyone is happy except for the stuck-in-the-muds like me that expect and like to see the music and the musicians grow and progress.

Though depending on the venue, I will still go and see them do their tributes since it can be a fun time for what it is.

I should note, that I had those expectations prior to knowing as much as I do know about the entire scene and if I was now back in 97 I probably wouldn't have those same expectations and might possibly be even listening to more. I have become forum "edumacated" thanks to you all!!!

The great thing about music, to each his own...

speaking of which, time for work and bach.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jun 10, 2008 9:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Allman Brothers

Points well-made and well-taken in turn.

FWIW, while playing the tried-and-true GD favorites is, indeed, smart marketing, I really believe that the guys' hearts are in the right place, musically, and that they really try to give 110% when they do play those golden oldies. Also, it's been my experience Weir does keep things on the up-and-up as far as playing his "new" songs--Even So is great stuff and sounded excellent when I saw him on the Spring Tour, as did October Queen and Two Djinn, which were both hotter than a pistol. Phil, on the other hand, seems to be pretty set in his ways, old Dead tune-wise.

And just so this isn't a TOTAL hijack, you gotta know Allman fans will probably feel a little cheated if Gregg doesn't serve up, for example, Ain't Wastin' Time No More or something from the days when it truly was the Allman BROTHERS Band.